Another Example of a PUA Scammer in Action

I think we could all need a little break from reading about Justin Wayne. There are more scammers out there, though. The following is an email I was sent some time ago, and hadn't it been for the Justin Wayne/Marcus Nero exposure, I would have posted it much sooner.

In a nutshell, the following is a testimony of a guy from California who had a run-in with a PUA called "Arash Dibazar", and he tells us how that PUA tried to make him part with some money. The guy who sent me this said that I could even publicly use his name if I wanted, but I'll refrain from it as only PUA shills would claim that I make this stuff up anyway.

It's an interesting story as it also illustrates the thought process that makes men buy into the empty promises of pickup coaches. Luckily, the guy who emailed me was smart enough to get out before losing a lot of money.

Here is his email:

So after failed attempts with women, which I now realize was because they were never interested, I decided to research online like most guys do and hopefully figure some things out. Of course I got sucked into the PUA world and soon enough found myself reading The Game by Neil Strauss (dick head). In his book he mentions boot camps where guys can actually train under masters to become pick up artists themselves.

I figured since I had never had much luck with the techniques I was probably doing something wrong, and could use some coaching. Out of curiosity I went on Google and searched for some local pick up places. I came across the Celcius Lounge located in Campbell, California. The self-proclaimed guru is named Arash Dibazar, and he had about 5 henchmen under him who I originally thought were just regular guys like me who had learned from him, but I later realized were part of the same organization trying to lure insecure guys with hopes of becoming ladies men.

They offered free meet ups every Tuesday and Thursday where Arash himself would often come in and give an hour or two lecture on picking up girls. He claimed to have trained under Matador from the VHI show with Mystery. They told us that we were a tribe, and that if you signed up to make the monthly payment you had full access to the video and you were an official tribe member. They also offered to teach you "genuine Brazilian Jui Jitsu" for another fee, as Arash was forced to learn martial arts when he was young because he was beat up all through school, so he claimed.

It all sounded promising so I went for a few weeks. Soon enough they were pressuring me to start taking their camps. I told them that I'd love to but I only make like $18,000 a year and I pay for my living expenses and college tuition, so there was no way I could do it. One of the henchmen, Eugene, told me how he used to suck with women in college but when he graduated he took out loans for a boot camp and it changed his life. I told him that I was not sure that was a great idea for me at the time.

After we had this talk they started mentioning at meet ups that they decided to offer more flexible payment plans for people with less steady income. Ultimately the price was the same ($1000 up to $5000 for a week/weekend and makeover), but they were offering to allow people to make payments rather than do the full amount at once. They were also strongly encouraging people to take out loans because this was an investment in your future happiness and money did not matter nearly as much as that. 

I also went in to see their professional stylist Hennassy Bear, a super hot girl, and she was sooooo forceful in trying to get me to sign up for her style makeover. Once again prices were ranging from $1000 for a simple one day makeover up to like $10,000 to shut down an entire store and have it to ourselves. I told her I could not afford that, but maybe in a few months when my income is more stable. She kept insisting she only had two spots left that month and that if I gave her my number she would talk to Arash and see if he would allow her to workout a payment plan. I kept shutting her down softly by saying no I just can't afford it. She insisted on taking my number and said she'd call me back, but thankfully she never did. After realizing these people were con artists who are full of shit I stopped going to the meetings. Too bad dozens of other guys are still lured in there every week and drop big bills for nothing. Even with their $5000 makeovers they look fake and uncomfortable. 

Hope that wasn't too long. Good luck with what you're doing it's a great thing.

K.

Justin Wayne's Disinformation Campaign: No, he is NOT Brandon Rice.

This will hopefully be the last post on Justin Wayne aka Marcus Nero. I've written far too much about this scammer already. However, one thing has come up that should be documented. While I was busy exposing Justin Wayne, I was contacted by a guy who claimed that Justin Wayne wasn't Marcus Nero either but "Brandon Rice." That guy has started to post this disinformation on other places on the Internet as well. But let's see what kind of evidence he presented.

The first red flag was that he was trying to usher me literally from the get-go to post on my blog that Justin Wayne was "Brandon Rice". When I didn't he made up one thing after another. Let's just go through it one by one.


First Email:

Marcus is not his real name. It is a fake name and profile that he uses for women that he 'games'. His real name is Brandon Rice. I know people who KNOW him. First of all, He did not go to the college that he mentioned. He went to Queens College. He got kicked out for selling drugs on campus. A girl had a panic attack and ratted on him. I think this was in 2006. He has an brother named Benjamin Rice. They both were known to be in shady shit that I will get more information on. Here is Justin Wayne's real Facebook account http://www.facebook.com/brandon.rice.716 and his brother Benjamin Rice http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.rice.568

This is definitely his real account with 1138 friends on his list and pictures galore. I attached some in this email.

However, the "pictures" he attached turned out to be one random shot with Justin Wayne. I asked him for more pictures, but he couldn't get any, despite claiming that he was "saving pictures NOW". I laughed when hours later he wrote:

I just want to make things easier. He uses Marcus as a fake name to give the girls so no one would find his real identity. 

Everyone in my town knows him as Brandon. Brandon Rice is his government name.

So far, I had seen nothing but claims and no compelling evidence. I was asking for "proof", but since that guy was unable to provide any, he just kept making stuff up, merely alluding that there was "a lot of dirt." More red flags were showing, like that guy claiming he would send me "proof" and "more information" after (!) I had posted that Justin Wayne was Brandon Rice (instead of Marcus Nero). Apparently in an eager mood, that Justin Wayne's sockpuppet then demanded I tell him the email addresses of the girls that had contacted me because he "maybe wants to work with them."

The hilarity continued when I received images from random black guys who were claimed to have been accomplices of "Brandon Rice". Apparently it was too much to ask for a picture showing both the accomplice and Justin Wayne/Marcus Nero.

The whole "selling weed" story didn't impress me either. At this point I wasn't even responding to those emails anymore, but still received five within a couple of hours. Apparently someone got really desperate. Suddenly, the "selling weed" story got dropped in favor of this one:

He is originally Jamaican. He MAY be an illegal Immigrant! I think they have overstayed their Visa. 

I hope he gets DEPORTED..

So now Justin Wayne/Marcus Nero is an illegal immigrant. I wasn't reacting to this either, but little later I was presented with another story, even lamer, and of course once again without any evidence at all:

Ok so this is what I found out. Brandon is engaged to this bimbo, he is trying to get married for his papers so he can be an American Citizen. Here name is Sarah. I will try and get her facebook info. From what I know she knows NOTHING of "Justin Wayne". 

Oh, what a sudden twist of fate! However, the guy knows who she is, but for some strange reason can't even send me the link to the facebook page of the "bimbo" Justin Wayne is claimed to be engaged to. It must really suck to be so stupid.

As unbelievable as it may sound, this wasn't even the end of it. That sockpuppet claimed that I now had "enough info" to post something on my blog, but of course this was all just stuff someone pulled out of his ass. You wouldn't guess the next move, though.

In a last desperate attempt, I was sent "ultimate proof" that was supposed to validate all the nonsense I had mentioned above. Have a look at this:

Here is the ultimate proof....

That same email in WHoIs.com leads you to his Facebook profile. He forgot to make that profile private. The others are private however.

http://www.whois.com/whois/justinwaynepua.com

Now, let the girls know who he Really is.

 Oh, a whois entry! I had checked the whois entries of Justin Wayne/Marcus Nero's websites just some hours ago, so I was quite eager to learn what's to be seen there. When I had a look, all the contact entries were anonymized.

For some strange reason, though, now it suddenly looked like this:

This was a bit odd, so I checked the whois myself, and look what I found:

Do you want to know when I received the email, relative to the time the screenshot was taken? Five minutes ago! So, immediately after changing the whois entry, I happen to receive an email telling me about this discovery. Isn't this an incredible coincidence?

The lesson of all of this is that Justin Wayne/Marcus Nero is a bit thick and not afraid of lies and deception. But that's not news, or is it?

A Peak into Justin Wayne's Music Production History

It seems that "Justin Wayne" is very fond of aliases. He has apparently used "Subliminal" as an alias for his fake MTV group, while his limited professional activity as a music producer went on under the name Justin Wayne as well! As one commenter on my blog pointed out, there is one documented use of both aliases, Justin Wayne and Marcus Nero, on some dubious page on the Internet:

This corroborates the story:

http://nevispages.com/news.php?id=EA64CC55-1017-33A3-848F-58B70BEBC9D4

Looks like Marcus produced music through (now defunct) nerobeats.com:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=750851

"Justin Wayne" produced music for some little known rapper named Dagah. Here's an excerpt from the article at NevisPages.com:

Dagah wrote this song when he was in New York and felt like it was necessary for him to represent the country of his birth. The beat is done by Marcus Nero (nerobeats) aka Justin Wayne. Dagah and Marcus have been collaborating for years in creating a style for him. He does not see himself as a just a rapper but as an artist.

However, none of this justifies any claims (as have appeared by some of Justin Wayne's shills on PUAHate) that he was a "music producer" and "quite good at it." It seems he has done a very brief stint, and after this went nowhere, looked for some other occupation. Let's just be honest here: Had Justin Wayne really been a successful music producer, he wouldn't have to scam desperate men out of their money. Music production is a typical "winner takes all" market, meaning that if you are successful, you are part of a tiny minority, and your compensation will be quite remarkable. On the other hand, if you don't make it, you'll make a pittance.

The Flyer "Justin Wayne" used (+ bonus: statutory rape?)

This morning I found a nice surprise in my inbox as Natascha sent me the flyer Justin Wayne/Marcus Nero used to recruit girls via Craigslist. I've attached the file below.

Natascha wrote:

attached is the flyer justin wayne was using on craigs list to recruit girls, I also would like to remind you that "elaine wayne" her real name was headi was also recruited through this scam. Additionally some other girls have come forward to me, and  we have learned Justin (or Marcus Nero) has had relations with at least one minor (a 16 year old), and to these charges we will probably take them to the police. I am trying to ensure no other girls fall for this horrible man. 

You'll learn interesting tidbits such as "Subliminal" (another alias) claiming to have been in the music industry "for many years", working as a "ghostwriter." Nice! He is joined by "Manny Lal" who claims to have managed Lady Gaga, John Legend, and many others.

Further, they claim associations with some major music labels. This alone should get "Subliminal" into a lot of trouble. Some people have claimed that "Justin Wayne" really worked for MTV, but no matter what he did there, there is no way his bosses would have agreed to that:

EDIT: I received another email very shortly after Natascha's, but before I wrote this blog post, that puts Justin Wayne's scheme in greater context:

I can tell you pretty confidently that almost all of the girls who came out o this event were "recruited" from Craigslist. Anyone who used CL knows the large number of unemployed girls on there looking for work. Getting these girls to travel(sometimes hundreds of miles) to attend this FRAUDULENT event makes me want to throw up.

I don't know anyone who goes to the lengths this guy has gone in falsely representing himself as an agent of MTV ... and using that to lure girls off of Craigslist to come out. 

I think you should make a post and clarify that Justin Wayne is a fraud before a pua. Whether he is or isn't a pua is totally irrelevant to the fact that he used a fictitious association with MTV to score naive vulnerable girls looking to make a buck in this economy. This action of Justin Wayne has way more in common with your average criminal than even the most shitty pua coach.

I partly agree with the last statement. Justin Wayne is a fraudster who has gone to great length to deceive other people. You should think of him as a criminal and a PUA. It's not irrelevant that he is a PUA. Some gullible guys paid him a lot of money for his "social circle game." Yes, he could have pulled off the same bullshit without adding the PUA angle, but he didn't. The girls didn't know that the guys in the group paid thousands of dollars to be part of it, and presumably the guys didn't know about how the girls got recruited to that group. To the world he was presenting himself as a PUA, after all. That he later on turned out to be a low-life scammer doesn't change anything in this regard.

Natascha isn't done with Justin Wayne yet either

Natascha, who uncovered Justin Wayne's evil scheme, has one more ace up her sleeve. In her most recent email, she shared with me the message that was sent out to the girls in the fake MTV group. As you can see, the women were deliberately misled. No matter how you want to view it, Justin Wayne looks incredibly bad. Calling him low-life scum would almost be a compliment.


Please note that the web address that was used for the organizer "Lisa Marie" (who may nor may not have been a real person) redirects to MTV.com.

Here is the domain information for MTVProject.com:

Registrant:
MTV PROJECT
Ted St
New York, New York 10001
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: MTVPROJECT.COM
Created on: 20-Mar-12
Expires on: 20-Mar-13
Last Updated on: 20-Mar-12

I'm sure MTV wouldn't be too pleased about this either. Some people claim that Justin Wayne was working for MTV. This may or may not be true, but if it's true, then it's even worse as he also gave his employer the finger with that move.

With this out of the way, let's move on to Natascha's email. "Subliminal" is an alias Justin Wayne/Marcus Nero used, in case you are wondering.

here is the email he sent to us, also I found three more girls on his websitle that where actually from my "mtv group", also I am not sure if Lisa Marie is a real person, but they created a email at  lisamarie@mtvproject.com, which has nothing to do with MTV:

Hey Ladies!


It's Lisa! I think we called most of you that is on this list. Some of you seem very nice and determined about your future careers! I love that.

Firstly, I want to say that I am VERY excited about this new Alternative Girl Group. There are no known alternative girl groups yet, and we will definitely stand out in the entertainment industry.

I spoke Subliminal, the main music producer, and he is also looking forward to creating music with unknown but raw talent. EVERYTHING will be further explained in the meeting. Manny Lal is also looking forward to the filming aspect!


Here is the information for the First Meeting.

1) We will speak to you about what we will do and how we will work together to develop the group which includes M.A.D.S ( Model's, Actresses, Dancers and Singers)

2) Have a song that you like so you can sing it. (if you are a singer) We will for dancers, walk with your own background music if necessary. For models, bring a portfolio of pictures if you have any. Our job is to develop your talent so do not worry about anything. For actors, Just walk with a simple script or impression. We w only want to preview about one minute for the acts. Again, no pressure ladies! Everything will be fine!

3) BE EARLY!!!!

4) Dress Code - wear what ever you feel, be you :)

5) In the building ,we are not allowed to have your friends in the hallways. So let them wait for you downstairs in the lobby.

6) Email me if you have any concerns that day. I will have my email connected to my iPhone so I will get messages instantly.
We begin at 8:30 pm

Ripley-Grier Booking Office
520 8th Avenue 16 FL
 New York, NY 10018

When you get there, there will be a front desk, you will see "MTV PROJECT GIRL GROUP".  You will find the elevator and go to the 16th floor and look for room  "16 J"

Directions:
Subway 1,2, or 3, & A,C, or E to 34th Stop, at Penn Station.  Walk  to the building that says 520,  it is on 8th Avenue, between  36th  & 37th Street.

-Lisa-Marie. xoxo!

  Ripley-Grier Studios is a place where you can rent out rooms for various purposes. I've given a seminar there in 2010. The rooms are nice and clean, but one wonders why the girls didn't question this choice of venue. After all, why wouldn't MTV use it's own premises.

Natascha, if you want to share more information, then please tell us more about:
1) How Justin Wayne tried to fake authenticity. Did he use fake business cards, too?
2) How many people got suspicious?
3) Whether the girls were discussing that this was all a bit strange.
4) How the fake MTV group finally dissolved. Or was it still ongoing by the time you had sent me the first email?

Thanks again!

Detailed Breakdown of Justin Wayne's "Social Circle Game"

Thanks to an anonymous commenter, we now know how elaborate Justin Wayne's scam was. It turned out that he not only played the girls, telling them they could get on TV. He actually pitched his little fake MTV group to some desperate guys in the pickup community who paid a lot of money to have access to this "social circle."

You have to marvel at this: on the one hand Justin Wayne promises girls that he'll make them famous. You know, all they have to do is cooperate a little bit here and there. This gets him laid, he puts some videos on his website, and at the same time, he turns around, and tells some guys that if they only pay him enough money, he'll teach them about social circle game.

In one corner we've got gullible girls, in the other desperate guys, and in the middle is Justin Wayne trying his best to profit from both. He took the cash from the guys, and sex from the girls. The setup was even more treacherous, as the following message shows:

Natascha,


I have the ULTIMATE BREAK-DOWN of Justin Wayne and his “social circle” game.

I know a guy who was apart of the whole social circle game. He told me shocking things that even ‘Natascha’ did not know.
First of all, his main girlfriend ‘Elaine’ actually helped Justin Wayne and his ‘fellow wingmen’ to create the social circle for ‘MTV’. ‘Elaine’s’ main job was to pretend to be one of the girls to give JW and the crew insider information about the ‘targets’. I know this for a fact. She was the main ingredient for the creation of it because 5 PUA’s with 20 girls would be difficult to control. JW was actually charging a few PUA’s to build a social circle with him in early summer. I know this because he was at the Dating Conference in NY 2012 and in the end he advertised his “Social Circle Creation” where you pay him thousands to make a social circle and game girls.


One of my acquaintances signed up like a fool expecting to get laid. In the end, he didn’t. I was tempted to join but I did not have the money, which I probably would of, wasted. I heard that NONE of the other PUA’s got anything out of it but JW, which was of course with Natascha. Natashca obviously felt that Elaine was apart of them, but she was wrong. Elaine was the informer and her job was to ‘DHV’ for the PUA’s who participated. I saw Elaine with JW before the ‘social cirlce’ service he’s peddling. In terms of how he met Elaine, who knows. She said the same story she said online about meeting him in the subway.


In all fairness, I have heard Justin Wayne say that he does produce music. It’s evident in his videos that he has musical equipment. I do not know to the extent to which he is.


However, this is what REALLY happened.


Thank me later;)

 There was another very fitting comment on my blog:

This is real.

JW had been planning this since the winter.

Offer some girls a CHANCE at stardom, give them some COKE, and they'll fuck you.

How these girls couldn't figure out that those auditions were bogus and that all they really did was go to clubs once in awhile and had weird guys hit on them is beyond me.

So while I don't particularly feel sorry for the girls, fuck Justin Wayne/Marcus Nero for being such a piece of shit. 

Justin Wayne has disappeared

A few people were quick to lash out at me about my last post, questioning the authenticity of the email I posted. One guy wrote:

Sounds like bs thus far. So a so called anonymous email arrives on the desk of the most anti Justin Wayne fan on the planet stating how Justin has been lying the whole time?......right

A few online pics with possible doctoration and we are supposed to believe it? Hmmm
Didn't sleazy pretty much state before that how Justin got the girls was over a span of several years? Hmmm

This So called Natasha is quite vague as well
And if it were that serious more details would have been provided.

Well folks, looks like the handy work of sleazy

Feel free to remain skeptical, but look what has happened in the meantime!


Justin Wayne's website: Gone.

Justin Wayne's blog: Gone.

Justin Wayne's YouTube account: Gone.

Someone apparently got cold feet. So, dear naysayers, how do you like them apples now?

But we're not done with Justin Wayne yet. Much more dirt has been uncovered. Stay tuned!

Justin Wayne's Pissed Off Ex Spills the Beans

We've been discussing Justin Wayne on this blog and in my forum a couple of times. His spiel is that he is a "PUA" from an ethnic minority and regularly pulls "supermodel caliber" women. He does belong to an ethnic minority, yet Justin Wayne's success rate is much worse than he wants to make us believe. This alone is enough to rebuke his boisterous claims about his "mad skillz" with the ladies.

Yesterday, I received an email from an ex-girlfriend of Justin Wayne who revealed what really goes on behind the scenes. Her revelations completely discredit this "PUA". She claims that Justin ran a "fake MTV group", and was convincing girls that they would be part of an MTV reality show! It seems that Justin Wayne is a seedy black version of AFC Adam.

You may think that anybody can claim anything in an email, but the proof she offered was convincing enough since she revealed the real name of Justin Wayne, too. This is "Justin Wayne":

...and here we have a picture of Marcus Nero:

[EDIT: It later on turned out that "Marcus Nero" is merely a fake name "Justin Wayne" has given to girls in order to hide his identity.]

Here is Natascha's email:

Okay so I'm a pissed off ex of justin wayne (his real name is marcus nero),when i met him he went under the alias of "subliminal" and so I'd like to share the truth with you about some of those "girlfriends" he has on his website. Two of them namely "elaine" and "Natascha" (those are not real names) he did not met off of "cold appoarch" as you guys call it. He ran a fake mtv girl group, where he convinced 25 of us, that we were going to be apart of a some kind of MTV reality show.

The story on how he met elaine is fake, and he better not post anything about me. I wish to stay anonymous in this fight, the email provided is not real, but if you really wish to contact me, make a post on your sight.

I sugguest you ask justin to produce a video of me(natascha) explaining how i met him. Which I obviously will not do

Thanks

I thank you, Natascha! If you want to share anything else with the world about your ex Justin Wayne, then please contact me again or post in the comments section below.

So, Justin Wayne, do you want to take up Natascha's suggestion?

Meeting Women on Facebook (by Martin)

Martin recently posted a great article on my forum, this time on how to meet women via Facebook. It's advice from a guy who knows what he's talking about, so if this kind of "game" is your thing, pay close attention.

Here is a teaser:

Since I lead quite a busy lifestyle with work and the gym and as a result don’t go out to clubs nearly as much anymore as in the past, I have in recent months focussed a lot on meeting women on the Internet. 

I’m not talking about online dating – which is something I have never tried – but rather good, old facebook. We’re all on it anyway, so why not use it for meeting women on the side as well? For me it’s been a huge time-saver since it requires very little effort on my part. In fact, of all the women I have been with lately, I would say that roughly 80% of them I met on facebook.

Like in the “real world,” online seduction basically boils down to the following simple steps.

1. Improve your looks
2. Indicate your interest
3. Focus on interested or potentially interested girls

The full post is on my forum.

Guest Post: The Relationships between Value, Confidence and Ego (by John)

John, a reader on my blog, left a serious of comments on my blog post on the pitfalls of "demonstrating high value", in which I highlighted a post on my forum. I've collected John's comments here, for better readability.
 
What is ironic about PUA advice is that its understanding of human psychology is so poor that it does not know which behaviors actually express the qualities it seeks to express. Its psychology is so crude.

Most people cannot quite verbalize it, but we all intuitively grasp that the guy who is "showing off" is not genuinely high status or genuinely confident. We instinctively react to show-offy behavior as an indication of lower status and lack of confidence. It is why Hollywood actors who are trying to convey ultra-confidence or extreme high status are trained to express themselves with restraint and moderation and avoid anything excessive "over-acting".
Yet interestingly, in popular culture the average guy is firmly convinced that confidence is best expressed through "over-acting", or being extravagantly assertive and "putting himself out there", firmly convinced they are impressing the ladies with evidence of their high levels of confidence as the women - and savvy men - are simply rolling their eyes. That's why "over-acting" and goofy behavior is so common by guys in clubs - they really think it's the face of confidence. The crude, shallow, popular-culture conception of confidence which gets it so wrong is really hard for most guys to outgrow.

Yet most guys are simply addicted to this kind of "over-acting" behavior and cannot quite convince themselves that it is actually a sign of insecurity. I have had conversations with friends who kind of saw my point, and could understand me intellectually and agree with me, but who would instinctively revert to show-offy behavior in clubs, and often try to defend it or deny that that's what they were doing. Show-offy behavior is "just having fun", they are just "more emotionally expressive than me", etc, etc. Such is the subconscious minds attachment to modes of thinking and acting that our conscious minds might be advanced enough to recognize as retrogressive.

Of course, the entire concept of DHV is null - because you cannot overtly demonstrate high status or confidence. In fact, both qualities are characterized specifically by an absence of excessive display, and by a subdued reticence that specifically avoids ANY effort to impress or make others think highly of you.

Conversely, avoiding excessive display or efforts to impress others in an effort to appear "cool" - which is sometimes counseled in PUA circles - is apt to come off as the kind of try-hard being "aloof" and "stony-faced" that is just as absurd and obvious an indication of insecurity as show-offy behavior. I have heard women mock this kind of obvious try-hard attempts at masculinity.

Paradoxically, confident people are characterized by having "NO EGO". This seems like a paradox, but it isn't, really. In popular language the word "ego" is often used to denote the kind of behavior that is meant to impress ourselves on others and assert ourselves against them inappropriately. The frame of reference of such behavior is "what other people think of us", even if we are not always aware of this and sometimes such behavior appears to be not caring at all what others think. Being inappropriately assertive towards others, say, (trying to dominate them or not be appropriately considerate towards them), comes from a place of needing others to ACKNOWLEDGE your superiority (you need them to submit to you or acknowledge your superior right to mistreat them). The man genuinely free from need doesn't need others to acknowledge his superiority - the truly self-secure - does not need them to "submit" to him, and is not seeking to demonstrate his superiority through failing to be considerate, and so is typically not inappropriately assertive.

So having "no ego" in the sense that one is not seeking to impress oneself on others is actually to have a firm, secure, and mature ego - in other words having "no ego" in the popular sense is to have a balanced and well-developed ego, one where you are not afraid to claim what is due you but are free from childish dreams of megalomania and the need to be inappropriately assertive towards others. Such well-balanced, truly secure individuals are rare in modern Western culture, especially in America, where a kind of childish and inappropriate assertiveness is encouraged as an expression of "confidence".

So in sum, one should NOT try to be "show-offy - even in subtle ways - NOR should one try to be "aloof" or "indifferent" - one is an active attempt to show-off, and one is a passive attempt to show-off. They are two sides of the same coin. I do not want to give the silly impression that I believe confidence is expressed by being "aloof" or "indifferent". I want to make clear that such a silly notion is as bad as thinking that confidence is expressed by acting flamboyantly or with excessive self-assertion.

Rather, according to my belief that confidence is best expressed by having "no ego" in the popular conception of that word, I believe one should be polite, considerate, and "open" (not aloof) to others, while at the same time, refusing to fawn over anyone or allowing oneself to be mistreated. Not trying in the least bit to appear "superior" - not by being "indifferent", and not by being excessively self-assertive - as you simply do not need others to "acknowledge" your supposed superiority. In fact, you care so little about them acknowledging your superiority that you are quite prepared to treat them politely as equals :)

When I go out in this frame of mind, I have my best social encounters, with both men and women. I tend to connect with women very well in this state of mind and other guys are quite willing to socialize with me. Of course, a woman still has to be sexually attracted to me to go home with me, but I believe this state of mind is optimum and at least removes any social barriers.

The moment arrogance or "ego" creeps back into my mindset, I bomb socially, every time.

Vince Kelvin Pulls Blonde Sexbomb! (Picture NSFW. I repeat: NSFW!!1)

I know, I know, some of you think I am just a hater. But today is the day on which I have to admit defeat. I was wrong. I was wrong about Vince Kelvin all along and I am ashamed of myself. I was too blind to recognize the rare level of game Vince Kelvin has. Vince, I really hope you will forgive me! Is it okay if I call you tonight? Don't worry, I am not pissed at you. I think you should fuck my sister. You deserve it! I hope you'll forgive me.

Recently I received picture proof of Vince Kelvin, showing his amazing seduction skills in action once again. You've got to give respect where respect is due, and as the picture below shows, Vince Kelvin not only has an uncanny sixths sense for spotting the absolutely hottest girls, he also has the such tight game that he just walks up to them and reels them in. Vince Kelvin has game like no other guy I have ever seen or heard of! Move over Brad Pitt! Get the fuck out of here, George Clooney! Compared to Vince Kelvin, you guys are nothing but losers.

As the picture below shows, Vince Kelvin was able to pickup a woman who is literally a perfect ten. She is tall,  blonde, very good looking. Her tits are nicely shaped and you wonder whether God has had a very good day, or her surgeon is just extremely talented. But let's not focus on the this too much. Just look at her big eyes and her luscious lips! Who wouldn't want to kiss them? Perfect teeth, too. Man, what a stunner!


Just look how this blonde bombshell is giggling at his suave line, and if it's not Vince Kelvin's verbal game that gets her juices flowing, then his impeccable outfit does. You really have to marvel at it. I wonder how much he pays for his Savile Row suits. No matter how much it is, given the caliber of the women he pulls, a few thousand bucks more or less probably just don't matter. I mean, high-class hookers of a caliber comparable to that woman would cost two or three grand for half an hour, too, so Vince Kelvin does the smart thing, gets himself a great suit and pulls women who could make millions in the porn business. Vince Kelvin is smart. That guy has got brains! Had he gone to MIT, he would probably have gotten four degrees in two years.

But enough about Vince Kelvin's intelligence. Let's just all take a few moments and stand in awe of this feat. Let's stand in awe together!

Vince Kelvin, please tell me how you do this! Seriously, bro, never in a thousand years would I be able to find women of such a quality, let alone be able to speak to them. I salute you. Vince Kelvin, you really are the world's greatest pickup artist.

Seriously, guys, would any of you have the balls to approach a woman as perfect as this one? Don't bullshit yourself and be honest! I know I just couldn't, and neither could any of you guys! Just look at this woman again. Isn't she gorgeous? According to rumors, she'll be on the cover of Playboy in October, and will be prominently featured in Snoop Dogg's next music video.

Vince Kelvin, I have nothing to say to that. I am speechless. Well done, Vince Kelvin, well done my friend! I am sorry I ever doubted your pickup skillz. Please accept my apology. You are amazing, and an inspiration for all of us lesser men who are not worthy to live on the same planet as you do. You should have the entire planet to yourself, just as you have the world's hottest women all for yourself.

/sarcasm off

About "demonstrating high value"

You're probably familiar with Mystery's concept of "DHV", which basically every PUA since then has regurgitated. Of course, you can't quite demonstrate high value if you don't have it, and all that bullshitting and lying will not get you very far either.

A user on my forum, Martin, contributed an anecdote that shows why "DHVing" is just nonsensical:

A genuinely high status person doesn't need to tell or show other people he is high status. That's what's so fundamentally wrong about DHVing, for instance.

I will tell you a nice little story as an anecdote. A couple of years ago, I was eating dinner with my parents in a nice hotel in Amman, Jordan. Next to us was a big table with lots of really nicely dressed and apparently rich people. Suddenly a guy walks in wearing jeans and a sweater and all the "high status" dressed people stand up in order to greet him.

We asked one of the waiters who that man was and he replied: "That's the future king."

I wonder what David DeAngelo would have to say to that.