Another Example of a PUA Scammer in Action

I think we could all need a little break from reading about Justin Wayne. There are more scammers out there, though. The following is an email I was sent some time ago, and hadn't it been for the Justin Wayne/Marcus Nero exposure, I would have posted it much sooner.

In a nutshell, the following is a testimony of a guy from California who had a run-in with a PUA called "Arash Dibazar", and he tells us how that PUA tried to make him part with some money. The guy who sent me this said that I could even publicly use his name if I wanted, but I'll refrain from it as only PUA shills would claim that I make this stuff up anyway.

It's an interesting story as it also illustrates the thought process that makes men buy into the empty promises of pickup coaches. Luckily, the guy who emailed me was smart enough to get out before losing a lot of money.

Here is his email:

So after failed attempts with women, which I now realize was because they were never interested, I decided to research online like most guys do and hopefully figure some things out. Of course I got sucked into the PUA world and soon enough found myself reading The Game by Neil Strauss (dick head). In his book he mentions boot camps where guys can actually train under masters to become pick up artists themselves.

I figured since I had never had much luck with the techniques I was probably doing something wrong, and could use some coaching. Out of curiosity I went on Google and searched for some local pick up places. I came across the Celcius Lounge located in Campbell, California. The self-proclaimed guru is named Arash Dibazar, and he had about 5 henchmen under him who I originally thought were just regular guys like me who had learned from him, but I later realized were part of the same organization trying to lure insecure guys with hopes of becoming ladies men.

They offered free meet ups every Tuesday and Thursday where Arash himself would often come in and give an hour or two lecture on picking up girls. He claimed to have trained under Matador from the VHI show with Mystery. They told us that we were a tribe, and that if you signed up to make the monthly payment you had full access to the video and you were an official tribe member. They also offered to teach you "genuine Brazilian Jui Jitsu" for another fee, as Arash was forced to learn martial arts when he was young because he was beat up all through school, so he claimed.

It all sounded promising so I went for a few weeks. Soon enough they were pressuring me to start taking their camps. I told them that I'd love to but I only make like $18,000 a year and I pay for my living expenses and college tuition, so there was no way I could do it. One of the henchmen, Eugene, told me how he used to suck with women in college but when he graduated he took out loans for a boot camp and it changed his life. I told him that I was not sure that was a great idea for me at the time.

After we had this talk they started mentioning at meet ups that they decided to offer more flexible payment plans for people with less steady income. Ultimately the price was the same ($1000 up to $5000 for a week/weekend and makeover), but they were offering to allow people to make payments rather than do the full amount at once. They were also strongly encouraging people to take out loans because this was an investment in your future happiness and money did not matter nearly as much as that. 

I also went in to see their professional stylist Hennassy Bear, a super hot girl, and she was sooooo forceful in trying to get me to sign up for her style makeover. Once again prices were ranging from $1000 for a simple one day makeover up to like $10,000 to shut down an entire store and have it to ourselves. I told her I could not afford that, but maybe in a few months when my income is more stable. She kept insisting she only had two spots left that month and that if I gave her my number she would talk to Arash and see if he would allow her to workout a payment plan. I kept shutting her down softly by saying no I just can't afford it. She insisted on taking my number and said she'd call me back, but thankfully she never did. After realizing these people were con artists who are full of shit I stopped going to the meetings. Too bad dozens of other guys are still lured in there every week and drop big bills for nothing. Even with their $5000 makeovers they look fake and uncomfortable. 

Hope that wasn't too long. Good luck with what you're doing it's a great thing.

K.

Justin Wayne's Disinformation Campaign: No, he is NOT Brandon Rice.

This will hopefully be the last post on Justin Wayne aka Marcus Nero. I've written far too much about this scammer already. However, one thing has come up that should be documented. While I was busy exposing Justin Wayne, I was contacted by a guy who claimed that Justin Wayne wasn't Marcus Nero either but "Brandon Rice." That guy has started to post this disinformation on other places on the Internet as well. But let's see what kind of evidence he presented.

The first red flag was that he was trying to usher me literally from the get-go to post on my blog that Justin Wayne was "Brandon Rice". When I didn't he made up one thing after another. Let's just go through it one by one.


First Email:

Marcus is not his real name. It is a fake name and profile that he uses for women that he 'games'. His real name is Brandon Rice. I know people who KNOW him. First of all, He did not go to the college that he mentioned. He went to Queens College. He got kicked out for selling drugs on campus. A girl had a panic attack and ratted on him. I think this was in 2006. He has an brother named Benjamin Rice. They both were known to be in shady shit that I will get more information on. Here is Justin Wayne's real Facebook account http://www.facebook.com/brandon.rice.716 and his brother Benjamin Rice http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.rice.568

This is definitely his real account with 1138 friends on his list and pictures galore. I attached some in this email.

However, the "pictures" he attached turned out to be one random shot with Justin Wayne. I asked him for more pictures, but he couldn't get any, despite claiming that he was "saving pictures NOW". I laughed when hours later he wrote:

I just want to make things easier. He uses Marcus as a fake name to give the girls so no one would find his real identity. 

Everyone in my town knows him as Brandon. Brandon Rice is his government name.

So far, I had seen nothing but claims and no compelling evidence. I was asking for "proof", but since that guy was unable to provide any, he just kept making stuff up, merely alluding that there was "a lot of dirt." More red flags were showing, like that guy claiming he would send me "proof" and "more information" after (!) I had posted that Justin Wayne was Brandon Rice (instead of Marcus Nero). Apparently in an eager mood, that Justin Wayne's sockpuppet then demanded I tell him the email addresses of the girls that had contacted me because he "maybe wants to work with them."

The hilarity continued when I received images from random black guys who were claimed to have been accomplices of "Brandon Rice". Apparently it was too much to ask for a picture showing both the accomplice and Justin Wayne/Marcus Nero.

The whole "selling weed" story didn't impress me either. At this point I wasn't even responding to those emails anymore, but still received five within a couple of hours. Apparently someone got really desperate. Suddenly, the "selling weed" story got dropped in favor of this one:

He is originally Jamaican. He MAY be an illegal Immigrant! I think they have overstayed their Visa. 

I hope he gets DEPORTED..

So now Justin Wayne/Marcus Nero is an illegal immigrant. I wasn't reacting to this either, but little later I was presented with another story, even lamer, and of course once again without any evidence at all:

Ok so this is what I found out. Brandon is engaged to this bimbo, he is trying to get married for his papers so he can be an American Citizen. Here name is Sarah. I will try and get her facebook info. From what I know she knows NOTHING of "Justin Wayne". 

Oh, what a sudden twist of fate! However, the guy knows who she is, but for some strange reason can't even send me the link to the facebook page of the "bimbo" Justin Wayne is claimed to be engaged to. It must really suck to be so stupid.

As unbelievable as it may sound, this wasn't even the end of it. That sockpuppet claimed that I now had "enough info" to post something on my blog, but of course this was all just stuff someone pulled out of his ass. You wouldn't guess the next move, though.

In a last desperate attempt, I was sent "ultimate proof" that was supposed to validate all the nonsense I had mentioned above. Have a look at this:

Here is the ultimate proof....

That same email in WHoIs.com leads you to his Facebook profile. He forgot to make that profile private. The others are private however.

http://www.whois.com/whois/justinwaynepua.com

Now, let the girls know who he Really is.

 Oh, a whois entry! I had checked the whois entries of Justin Wayne/Marcus Nero's websites just some hours ago, so I was quite eager to learn what's to be seen there. When I had a look, all the contact entries were anonymized.

For some strange reason, though, now it suddenly looked like this:

This was a bit odd, so I checked the whois myself, and look what I found:

Do you want to know when I received the email, relative to the time the screenshot was taken? Five minutes ago! So, immediately after changing the whois entry, I happen to receive an email telling me about this discovery. Isn't this an incredible coincidence?

The lesson of all of this is that Justin Wayne/Marcus Nero is a bit thick and not afraid of lies and deception. But that's not news, or is it?

A Peak into Justin Wayne's Music Production History

It seems that "Justin Wayne" is very fond of aliases. He has apparently used "Subliminal" as an alias for his fake MTV group, while his limited professional activity as a music producer went on under the name Justin Wayne as well! As one commenter on my blog pointed out, there is one documented use of both aliases, Justin Wayne and Marcus Nero, on some dubious page on the Internet:

This corroborates the story:

http://nevispages.com/news.php?id=EA64CC55-1017-33A3-848F-58B70BEBC9D4

Looks like Marcus produced music through (now defunct) nerobeats.com:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=750851

"Justin Wayne" produced music for some little known rapper named Dagah. Here's an excerpt from the article at NevisPages.com:

Dagah wrote this song when he was in New York and felt like it was necessary for him to represent the country of his birth. The beat is done by Marcus Nero (nerobeats) aka Justin Wayne. Dagah and Marcus have been collaborating for years in creating a style for him. He does not see himself as a just a rapper but as an artist.

However, none of this justifies any claims (as have appeared by some of Justin Wayne's shills on PUAHate) that he was a "music producer" and "quite good at it." It seems he has done a very brief stint, and after this went nowhere, looked for some other occupation. Let's just be honest here: Had Justin Wayne really been a successful music producer, he wouldn't have to scam desperate men out of their money. Music production is a typical "winner takes all" market, meaning that if you are successful, you are part of a tiny minority, and your compensation will be quite remarkable. On the other hand, if you don't make it, you'll make a pittance.

The Flyer "Justin Wayne" used (+ bonus: statutory rape?)

This morning I found a nice surprise in my inbox as Natascha sent me the flyer Justin Wayne/Marcus Nero used to recruit girls via Craigslist. I've attached the file below.

Natascha wrote:

attached is the flyer justin wayne was using on craigs list to recruit girls, I also would like to remind you that "elaine wayne" her real name was headi was also recruited through this scam. Additionally some other girls have come forward to me, and  we have learned Justin (or Marcus Nero) has had relations with at least one minor (a 16 year old), and to these charges we will probably take them to the police. I am trying to ensure no other girls fall for this horrible man. 

You'll learn interesting tidbits such as "Subliminal" (another alias) claiming to have been in the music industry "for many years", working as a "ghostwriter." Nice! He is joined by "Manny Lal" who claims to have managed Lady Gaga, John Legend, and many others.

Further, they claim associations with some major music labels. This alone should get "Subliminal" into a lot of trouble. Some people have claimed that "Justin Wayne" really worked for MTV, but no matter what he did there, there is no way his bosses would have agreed to that:

EDIT: I received another email very shortly after Natascha's, but before I wrote this blog post, that puts Justin Wayne's scheme in greater context:

I can tell you pretty confidently that almost all of the girls who came out o this event were "recruited" from Craigslist. Anyone who used CL knows the large number of unemployed girls on there looking for work. Getting these girls to travel(sometimes hundreds of miles) to attend this FRAUDULENT event makes me want to throw up.

I don't know anyone who goes to the lengths this guy has gone in falsely representing himself as an agent of MTV ... and using that to lure girls off of Craigslist to come out. 

I think you should make a post and clarify that Justin Wayne is a fraud before a pua. Whether he is or isn't a pua is totally irrelevant to the fact that he used a fictitious association with MTV to score naive vulnerable girls looking to make a buck in this economy. This action of Justin Wayne has way more in common with your average criminal than even the most shitty pua coach.

I partly agree with the last statement. Justin Wayne is a fraudster who has gone to great length to deceive other people. You should think of him as a criminal and a PUA. It's not irrelevant that he is a PUA. Some gullible guys paid him a lot of money for his "social circle game." Yes, he could have pulled off the same bullshit without adding the PUA angle, but he didn't. The girls didn't know that the guys in the group paid thousands of dollars to be part of it, and presumably the guys didn't know about how the girls got recruited to that group. To the world he was presenting himself as a PUA, after all. That he later on turned out to be a low-life scammer doesn't change anything in this regard.

Natascha isn't done with Justin Wayne yet either

Natascha, who uncovered Justin Wayne's evil scheme, has one more ace up her sleeve. In her most recent email, she shared with me the message that was sent out to the girls in the fake MTV group. As you can see, the women were deliberately misled. No matter how you want to view it, Justin Wayne looks incredibly bad. Calling him low-life scum would almost be a compliment.


Please note that the web address that was used for the organizer "Lisa Marie" (who may nor may not have been a real person) redirects to MTV.com.

Here is the domain information for MTVProject.com:

Registrant:
MTV PROJECT
Ted St
New York, New York 10001
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: MTVPROJECT.COM
Created on: 20-Mar-12
Expires on: 20-Mar-13
Last Updated on: 20-Mar-12

I'm sure MTV wouldn't be too pleased about this either. Some people claim that Justin Wayne was working for MTV. This may or may not be true, but if it's true, then it's even worse as he also gave his employer the finger with that move.

With this out of the way, let's move on to Natascha's email. "Subliminal" is an alias Justin Wayne/Marcus Nero used, in case you are wondering.

here is the email he sent to us, also I found three more girls on his websitle that where actually from my "mtv group", also I am not sure if Lisa Marie is a real person, but they created a email at  lisamarie@mtvproject.com, which has nothing to do with MTV:

Hey Ladies!


It's Lisa! I think we called most of you that is on this list. Some of you seem very nice and determined about your future careers! I love that.

Firstly, I want to say that I am VERY excited about this new Alternative Girl Group. There are no known alternative girl groups yet, and we will definitely stand out in the entertainment industry.

I spoke Subliminal, the main music producer, and he is also looking forward to creating music with unknown but raw talent. EVERYTHING will be further explained in the meeting. Manny Lal is also looking forward to the filming aspect!


Here is the information for the First Meeting.

1) We will speak to you about what we will do and how we will work together to develop the group which includes M.A.D.S ( Model's, Actresses, Dancers and Singers)

2) Have a song that you like so you can sing it. (if you are a singer) We will for dancers, walk with your own background music if necessary. For models, bring a portfolio of pictures if you have any. Our job is to develop your talent so do not worry about anything. For actors, Just walk with a simple script or impression. We w only want to preview about one minute for the acts. Again, no pressure ladies! Everything will be fine!

3) BE EARLY!!!!

4) Dress Code - wear what ever you feel, be you :)

5) In the building ,we are not allowed to have your friends in the hallways. So let them wait for you downstairs in the lobby.

6) Email me if you have any concerns that day. I will have my email connected to my iPhone so I will get messages instantly.
We begin at 8:30 pm

Ripley-Grier Booking Office
520 8th Avenue 16 FL
 New York, NY 10018

When you get there, there will be a front desk, you will see "MTV PROJECT GIRL GROUP".  You will find the elevator and go to the 16th floor and look for room  "16 J"

Directions:
Subway 1,2, or 3, & A,C, or E to 34th Stop, at Penn Station.  Walk  to the building that says 520,  it is on 8th Avenue, between  36th  & 37th Street.

-Lisa-Marie. xoxo!

  Ripley-Grier Studios is a place where you can rent out rooms for various purposes. I've given a seminar there in 2010. The rooms are nice and clean, but one wonders why the girls didn't question this choice of venue. After all, why wouldn't MTV use it's own premises.

Natascha, if you want to share more information, then please tell us more about:
1) How Justin Wayne tried to fake authenticity. Did he use fake business cards, too?
2) How many people got suspicious?
3) Whether the girls were discussing that this was all a bit strange.
4) How the fake MTV group finally dissolved. Or was it still ongoing by the time you had sent me the first email?

Thanks again!

Detailed Breakdown of Justin Wayne's "Social Circle Game"

Thanks to an anonymous commenter, we now know how elaborate Justin Wayne's scam was. It turned out that he not only played the girls, telling them they could get on TV. He actually pitched his little fake MTV group to some desperate guys in the pickup community who paid a lot of money to have access to this "social circle."

You have to marvel at this: on the one hand Justin Wayne promises girls that he'll make them famous. You know, all they have to do is cooperate a little bit here and there. This gets him laid, he puts some videos on his website, and at the same time, he turns around, and tells some guys that if they only pay him enough money, he'll teach them about social circle game.

In one corner we've got gullible girls, in the other desperate guys, and in the middle is Justin Wayne trying his best to profit from both. He took the cash from the guys, and sex from the girls. The setup was even more treacherous, as the following message shows:

Natascha,


I have the ULTIMATE BREAK-DOWN of Justin Wayne and his “social circle” game.

I know a guy who was apart of the whole social circle game. He told me shocking things that even ‘Natascha’ did not know.
First of all, his main girlfriend ‘Elaine’ actually helped Justin Wayne and his ‘fellow wingmen’ to create the social circle for ‘MTV’. ‘Elaine’s’ main job was to pretend to be one of the girls to give JW and the crew insider information about the ‘targets’. I know this for a fact. She was the main ingredient for the creation of it because 5 PUA’s with 20 girls would be difficult to control. JW was actually charging a few PUA’s to build a social circle with him in early summer. I know this because he was at the Dating Conference in NY 2012 and in the end he advertised his “Social Circle Creation” where you pay him thousands to make a social circle and game girls.


One of my acquaintances signed up like a fool expecting to get laid. In the end, he didn’t. I was tempted to join but I did not have the money, which I probably would of, wasted. I heard that NONE of the other PUA’s got anything out of it but JW, which was of course with Natascha. Natashca obviously felt that Elaine was apart of them, but she was wrong. Elaine was the informer and her job was to ‘DHV’ for the PUA’s who participated. I saw Elaine with JW before the ‘social cirlce’ service he’s peddling. In terms of how he met Elaine, who knows. She said the same story she said online about meeting him in the subway.


In all fairness, I have heard Justin Wayne say that he does produce music. It’s evident in his videos that he has musical equipment. I do not know to the extent to which he is.


However, this is what REALLY happened.


Thank me later;)

 There was another very fitting comment on my blog:

This is real.

JW had been planning this since the winter.

Offer some girls a CHANCE at stardom, give them some COKE, and they'll fuck you.

How these girls couldn't figure out that those auditions were bogus and that all they really did was go to clubs once in awhile and had weird guys hit on them is beyond me.

So while I don't particularly feel sorry for the girls, fuck Justin Wayne/Marcus Nero for being such a piece of shit. 

Justin Wayne has disappeared

A few people were quick to lash out at me about my last post, questioning the authenticity of the email I posted. One guy wrote:

Sounds like bs thus far. So a so called anonymous email arrives on the desk of the most anti Justin Wayne fan on the planet stating how Justin has been lying the whole time?......right

A few online pics with possible doctoration and we are supposed to believe it? Hmmm
Didn't sleazy pretty much state before that how Justin got the girls was over a span of several years? Hmmm

This So called Natasha is quite vague as well
And if it were that serious more details would have been provided.

Well folks, looks like the handy work of sleazy

Feel free to remain skeptical, but look what has happened in the meantime!


Justin Wayne's website: Gone.

Justin Wayne's blog: Gone.

Justin Wayne's YouTube account: Gone.

Someone apparently got cold feet. So, dear naysayers, how do you like them apples now?

But we're not done with Justin Wayne yet. Much more dirt has been uncovered. Stay tuned!