Roosh V Sucks With Women And Doesn't Know It

After bashing  Vince Kelvin, it's time for a break. A guy people on my forum occasionally mention, but someone I haven't paid much attention to is Roosh. His "game" consists of travelling to poorer countries and trying his luck with the ladies. However, more often than not he goes home empty handed.

Roosh has a particularly deluded crowd of followers who don't even realize that there is something wrong with a guy who proclaims that a "real player" gets between five and eight girls in a year. No, this is not a typo. Despite having little luck with the ladies, Roosh keeps on going to foreign countries. Recent highlight included three weeks in Sweden and one or two "lays". For a guy whose full-time job is getting laid this is nothing but pathetic.

A member of my forum, neparlepas, recently collected a number of Roosh's tweets, and I felt like sharing them with the readers of my blog. Read them and marvel. Neparlepas writes:

When Roosh announced he was going to eastern-europe, I was thrilled. I knew that his "pen opener" would make him look like an alien. So for your enjoyment, here is a collection of quotes from his twitter and forum account. 

Don't forget this is from a "professional pua" making a living by teaching guys how to get laid.

Without further ado, here are some of Roosh's own admissions of failure. I find it ludicrous when he calls girls who see through his lame act "simple minded."

My first instinct was to think that these girls don't care about sex, but truth is they're all getting it from some guy. So this neighborhood guy gets easy pussy, while I'm sweating my ass off for measly droppings. It seems like their entire game is "don't show any interest." I can spend an hour with a girl here and have no idea where I stand.

Would you guys call Ukrainian girls "simple minded"? I don't mean that to insult, but from a Western perspective, that's the first word that pops to mind.

What a waste of effort. one month here and I know that Western game will lead to paltry results.

Also a lot of girls here don't drink at all, or just one drink. It's fucked up my whole dating progression. I've never done so many coffee shop dates in my life. And we know that even if a coffee shop date goes well, the odds of sex or even a kiss is very low.

So just when I thought I was figuring it out, last night I was massacred. Just completely shut out. I have to admit that my club ROI is the lowest it's ever been since Colombia. My American sarcasm fell off the boat months ago. You can be funny but it's more of a silly humor they dig instead of the witty/dry humor that Americans dig. They don't understand dry humor here. You know the deadpan humor I use in my old Youtube videos? That doesn't fly here.

It's hard. Night game, anyway. The initial approach is going fine... I'm getting warm responses. Girls ask me where I'm from, etc. But the conversations are crapping out and I can't figure out why. It doesn't help that the girls don't really talk much, because of both a language barrier and their shy nature. One night stands... forget it.

It's not as bad as Latvia, but somewhat similar. I feel like I'm hitting a lot of foul balls. So I am making contact with the ball, but not rounding the bases. Unless the girl is REALLY into me from the beginning, I have no idea what the optimum game is.

(last twitter)

I gave up on Russian b/c main girl speaks English and I have enough survival knowledge. It was a good effort, though I faded bad in the end. And now back to Spanish. :banana:

This is simply breathtaking. Please note that he is unable to realize that the girls are just not into him. Thus, he keeps looking for ways to improve his "game." Buddy, if the girl isn't really into you, it doesn't really matter what you do as long as you move the interaction forward. On the other hand, if she's not into you, then it also doesn't really matter what you do because you simply won't get anywhere.

An RSD Escape Story

The following is a "survivor story" from C. who has been heavily involved with RSD. I particularly like how he analyzes the mind games the community plays, unknowingly or not, and how mere "belief" can make you ignore blatant inconsistencies.

Real Social Dynamics is often compared to a cult, and I can definitely see why people make this conclusion. Just think about how RSD, as C. writes, always mentions a "higher level". This could be taken straight out of the playbook Scientology uses. Of course, to reach those higher levels, you've got to take more bootcamps and more training, and just like Scientology, they slowly suck your bank account dry.

Also, please pay special attention to the section where C. discusses the "fucking huge elephant in the room", and RSD's "cult of the cold approach."

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Dude, great website! My mind has been completely blown over the last few days reading your posts and blog - it's all so clear now. Anyway, perhaps you want to put this on your blog as a "survivor story" or something but I just wanted to say thanks for spreading the truth and helping me clear my head of all that bullshit!

I used to be massively involved in RSD - bootcamps, world summits, hot seats etc. and even though I have a girlfriend now I still believed their stuff and basically gave them credit for all my success. Until I started reading your website. It's amazing how RSD creates so much confusion and bullshit for something so simple - I honestly think that they believe their own bollocks now.


I started in the "community" in 2008. Within a month of starting I met a number of girls that I failed to pull the trigger on and then I met my ex girlfriend in a bar. I literally had the blueprint for a "perfect" approach on that one. I talked to her for a minute and then went to the bar. Half an hour later she appeared next to me with her friend with her back to me. I tapped her on the shoulder, she turned around with the biggest smile on her face and we got chatting. Make out. Got her number and then she had to go. We met up the following week and I fucked her. We were together for 6 months until my immaturity and lack of experience caused me to overreact and dump her. So basically I did a "test approach", walked away and then she showed me she liked me by her proximity. Then I just escalated! Simple. If I'd continued to do that I wouldn't have needed the community. But no, I got suckered in.

I asked her why she hooked up with me and she said "I thought you were the best looking guy I'd seen in years". The sick thing about the "community" is that when I mentioned this to other community members and "experts" and they told me that "she doesn't know what she is talking about" or worse "its a rationalisation, you were just doing everything right but didn't know it". The disturbing thing about that line is that when you do the same thing with other girls and they don't respond well then you don't look at the obvious fact that she wasn't into you. It had to be your "game", and that even though you thought you were doing the same things you were before maybe she "sensed you didn't 100% believe in yourself" or some fucking bullshit like that. This keeps you trapped in this mental mindfuck.

At the same time I started reading a lot of RSD, I brought Flawless Natural and the Blueprint. I got a couple of ONS's after that. The funny thing was that I didn't "use" any of the techniques or mindsets in those products, the ONS "just happened". Like every hook up that happened to me before and during the community, there was no rhyme or reason to it. The girl was receptive and we fucked. Damn, before the community I fucked a stripper and then two girls from the same office within the space of a few weeks. Did I do any "game"? Nope. The way they get you is a promise of "consistency" - I was inconsistent before the community because it was always social circle and the occasional "cold approach". They lead you to believe that the times you got laid or had success wasn't due to the fact that by sheer statistics you had met a girl that was into you, but because it was something you did, or said or an attitude that you had. This leads you to investigating the techniques thinking "damn if I can just replicate what I did then I'll pull every girl I want".

I then took a bootcamp. The name of the instructor is irrelevant because ultimately they teach the same thing: approach and escalate (depending on the instructor that could be escalate slowly aka Alex or escalate fast aka every other instructor). After the bootcamp my "game" exploded. I was banging left and right. Why? Because I was approaching more girls! You don't realise it after or during bootcamp but the whole thing is a massive state pump mixed with some bullshit mental masturbation. The bootcamp just primes you to approach more and more and do the right thing - escalate. This is good. But the problem comes with the associated bullshit - the complicated inner game theories, their insistence that you are not quite finished yet and there is always "another level". They will never say to a client "well done you are complete". They tell you "you are enough" and then just when you've got things straight in your mind they pull the rug out under your feet - changing "attraction theories" etc. which require you to learn some new inner game theory. Then there are new instructors with new theories on things.  You are constantly being dangled a carrot that promises to explain why you've not been getting more lays/success or getting the uber hot girls. Maybe Julien's game will help me to the "next level" or Alex or Tyler or Jeffy or now Todd's back with some stuff. It completely ignores the possibility that it's all pre-determined.

Of course the instructors have publicly mentioned that its a "numbers game" - Tyler and especially Jeffy. Jeffy cites "Evil Stifler" his "natural friend" who just approaches everywhere and escalates on girls. Apparently he had fucked over 600 girls. I believe this because the guy apparently doesn't do anything else besides hitting on girls. The problem is that they then add a caveat that even though it's a numbers game you have got to be sure you have "momentum" or that you "communicate man-to-woman" or that you have "entitlement" and can "look into her eyes without wavering cos a woman can tell if you are present or not" (complete mental wankery).

The problem is that you believe it because its such a cognitive dissonance to not believe it. When you have taken a bootcamp and invested time and money in them and SEEN your results SHOOT UP you automatically assume it's the "techniques" or "inner game" or whatever you believe they have given you. You never think that they have just pumped you to approach more and then taken credit for your results that would have normally happened, if you are socially normal and not fucking ugly, whether you approached that girl "man-to-woman" or "friend-to-friend" or "out of state" or whatever.

Tyler even shows a video where he "pulls out of state". He then pulls some theory out of his ass that it's because he was "authentic to his emotions" and sometimes "girls will like you for being authentic even if you aren't in state". He fails to explain that she would have liked him anyway whether he was authentic or not - she found him attractive. But the truth is in there, hidden away within that authentic statement - he is half right, she liked him when he was being authentic because he wasn't being wierd. The fact she was attracted to him was a coincidence. It wasn't the fact he was authentic to his emotions that got him the attraction. She was already attracted and the fact he was fucking normal and not forcing "game" when he wasn't feeling great meant he didn't weird her out and she felt she could act on that attraction.

The sad thing is, and I've seen Tyler actually say this while acting out his "warm-up" process for a night. He says (mimicking himself walking into the club) "Oh, I'm not in state yet so no-one is going to fuck me" so that's his rationale for approaching a load of girls - not to see which ones like him but to actually become attractive. Then of course he says "but you are enough and girls will like you just for you.......but you've got to be in state to be attractive......but you can also pull if your not in state......but it's better to be in state......but don't worry about not being in state......and by the way if you need clarification about what is right and what is wrong then you are immature and not at the level of game that I and my instructors (people you look up to and want to be) are because we, like all the top elite level gamers, can hold multiple conflicting ideas in our heads and don't need to clarify which is right and which is wrong." Which leaves everyone confused as to what to do and makes them think that the problem is on their end and not on RSD's teachings.

Then you have the differences between the instructors styles - Alex who just says "approach, talk, make moves" and is all about being friendly and escalating very slowly versus Jeffy who is all about "approach, communicate man-to-woman, express not impress". Jeff (and Tyler) state that if you talk to the girl "friend-to-friend" then she won't be attracted to you. Well, Alex talks to the girls "friend-to-friend" and he has plenty of girls attracted to him. I'm pretty sure they just skirt the issue, Tyler rambles on about "different styles but the core fundamentals are the same". Which is true, the core fundamentals are the same - they approach a lot of girls and screen out the ones that don't like them, whether that's through fast escalation (most of RSD) or slow escalation and reading the signals (Alex). That's the reality, but no they say - the core fundamentals are "Core confidence, not giving a fuck what people think, expressing not impressing, freedom from outcome, intent, blah blah blah".

The fucking huge Elephant in the room which everyone hooked into RSD ignores or doesn't recognise cos their brain is too clouded (which was myself until very recently) with RSD bullshit is that there is only ONE reason why two COMPLETELY CONTRADICTORY styles work.......

It doesn't matter what you say or do! It's pre-determined whether the girl fancies you and whether she will sleep with you. You can walk up and talk friend to friend and the girl will be into you or not. You can walk up man-to-woman and the girl will be into you or not. I've done both. Jeffy shows a video where he shows him talking to a girl at the beginning of the night. He is talking "friend-to-friend" aka like Alex. She laughs a bit and then walks off to find her friends. Jeffy explains that she doesn't fancy him BECAUSE he doesn't go "man-to-woman". He could be right in some respect, she could be deliberately out looking for dick and she fancies him but when she sees him not escalating she looks to find someone who will. But the causality of attraction isn't "escalation". Jeffy then shows a different girl later in the night that he is escalating on and she is into him - he states that this is because he is "man-to-woman" with her. Maybe, but it's more likely she would have still fancied him anyway.

You've still got to make moves, you've still got to move things forward with a girl you like and sometimes if she likes you and is just looking for dick and you don't escalate fast then she will ditch you to find someone who will. But escalation isn't a pre-requisite of attraction. If it was then nobody would ever receive approach invitations and I certainly wouldn't have had sex with half the girls I've fucked.

Of course there is no business model if they just say "it's all pre-determined and there is nothing you can do about it". Just improve your look and style and approach a ton of girls or look for those giving you AIs. Ironically, Tyler is into "freedom from outcome" - apparently it's the "key" to getting laid. Well, there is no bigger freedom from outcome when you realise it's all pre-determined and if a girl likes you there is nothing you can really do to fuck it up!

The whole looks debate with RSD is tiring as well - Tyler and Jeffy go on about how they aren't good looking, how none of their instructors are good looking except Brad (whose game apparently is "nothing to do with his looks"). Well actually, no instructor in RSD is "ugly" and for the most part they all have a good look. They have style - they dress "cool". They don't look like uber nerds (except Tyler) but even Tyer dressed well and looks good most of the time. Julien, well the dude is over 6 foot and dresses like an archetypal LA douchebag who fucks hot chicks. It's nothing to do with his "game". Jeffy talks about his height and how it can't be looks because he is short. Well, guess what, it seems there are a number of girls who find a well dressed, muscular, short, slightly assholish, charasmatic man with a mullet attractive. He just finds them, screens out the ones that are not attracted and fucks them. Simple.

It's all so obvious now - but when they've hooked you in, your brain just finds every reason why its true. And half the people on that forum aren't even interested now in fucking girls - cold approaching is all about becoming a better man, or becoming socially fearless. Not bad goals but certainly completely unneeded to get laid a lot. Cold approach for everyone on that forum becomes almost a dick measuring competition. RSD publically state that you need to do the "hardest approaches to grow". So to get better at the game you are supposed to chuck yourself into a situation where success is probably less than 1%. Then of course when you eventually have that inevitable success in that situation (pure statistics) you attribute it to your "game". Of course it doesn't make sense then in the next situation like that you do that the girl rejects you but that's a cognitive dissonance that you just ignore. Indeed Jeffy even states that he "doesn't remember his rejections" - cognitive dissonance that his brain ignores.

Ozzie has his students stand in the middle of London being socially weird to give them confidence to approach girls. At least in his defence he says once you have no fear and just approach then there is nothing you need to do - if she likes you its on. You can't make her like you. But the rest of it - doing "fear drills" each night is a waste of time when you can just find girls that are into you and fuck you. That's going to boost your confidence more than overcoming your fears and being able to walk up to that girl in an impossible situation and "survive 2 minutes of conversation".

In RSD's eyes anyone who doesn't "cold approach" is a faggot - if you gave them the choice between having a lifestyle set up where they could bang the hottest girls constantly (film actor, model photographer, famous DJ etc.) or cold approach I think they would choose cold approach. I remember reading on the forum that someone asked Julien and Brad about this and they said they wouldn't want it because they would get "bored"! It's clear that it's not about the pussy but about showing off to their mates and becoming some kind of fearless machine because it means they have "core confidence" rather than "situational confidence" - i.e. they would rather get less hot pussy just so they can say "well that dude is only getting laid cos he is famous/rich and if you took him out of that environment he would not get laid - I can get laid anywhere, I have core confidence and he doesn't" --- completely missing the point that unless the whole of western society breaks down Jamie Foxx or whoever is never going to not be in that situation! I'd rather have situational confidence and be banging chicks like Vinnie Chase than be running around every night of my life chasing girls down the street. There is a reason RSD followers struggle to overcome their fear of what people think, its because everyone with any social intelligence instinctively realises that what Tyler and co promote is just fucking weird.

I remember being out with so called "naturals" who would just spot a girl giving them the eye, approach and escalate and get laid. I, on the other hand, would run around approaching until finally hooking up with --- Surprise, surprise! --- a girl who gives me the eye or makes it obvious from the first few minutes that she is into me. The brainwashing is so strong that you ignore these guys who tell you "dude stop approaching so much and watch for the girls that want you to approach" - you think that it's "chode" or that they are just taking what they can get. Despite the fact that you approached 50 girls to get laid that night and they approached 1 you still think it's better because there could be a shy girl who hasn't the courage to look at you even though it has never gone down that way before.

The level of brainwashing is so strong that I ended up still believing in it despite hooking up with my now girlfriend with no "game" whatsoever. I believed it was down to my "becoming an attractive man" after bootcamp, completely ignoring the fact that I was always attractive to girls and RSD had literally fuck all to do with it apart from encouraging me to approach and escalate towards sex, hence getting me laid more and me naturally concluding that it was RSD that made it so. RSD is sinister and highly manipulative.

If I look back at every girl that I fucked, fingered, got a blow job from, made out with it was "on" from the first few minutes. That was the case before game, during and now I'm in a relationship so it doesn't matter. It was "easy" and it just clicked, attraction already existed. Sure there were logistical obstacles but that's all you really need to "learn" in the game. Dealing with logistics and being ruthlessly efficient - screening girls out and being ruthless with the girls that already like you.

I wish I hadn't wasted so much money on their products, I wish someone had showed me this from the beginning but then again everything happens for a reason and I have fucked a lot of girls since joining this community. I just wish I hadn't been sold a lie and RSD hadn't taken credit for something that was always mine in the first place!

A Peek into Project Hollywood: Vince Kelvin and Speer's Empty Promises, Part II

Here is the second part of K.K.'s story about Vince Kelvin and Speer's big New Year's Eve event:

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Now I didn't go into the "Big Night" of the New Year's Eve bash at the Mansion yet, because I wanted to save the best for last! They did have an open bar for much of the night, until I heard Speer bark at one of his "Knights/slaves" to start pulling the hard liquor back inside the Mansion. The whole inside of the Mansion was off limits to the attendees, so where was I going to bang a chick, if I did pick one up, the back of my SUV, or in the only bathroom accessible off the servant's kitchen and locked down from access to the interior of the Mansion that had an average of 20-30 people waiting in line to use all night long?!!! There was more like a total attendance of 30-40 women and many of those were with their own men, or weren't hot enough to even get my dick hard for!

I have to say that as I circulated and talked to most everyone, most in attendance were very cool people and many told me how great it was to meet me, including the owner of the record label for the up and coming rapper, who sang poolside, where the whole event was staged, and the rapper himself was a real down to Earth dude and not a prima-donna. While standing in line to use the crapper, I would just chat up some of hottest girls there like they were my little sister's friends, teasing them and just letting my true personality come through, which tends to be a bit sarcastic but in a humorous way, with sexual innuendo thrown in to shock and delight them.

I had several dudes in attendance at the party tell me that I was "the man," (out of all the dudes in attendance, which presumably included Vince Kelvin, Speer, and a couple of the "Gurus". On a couple of occasions dudes commented, those girls are way into you, and they're all yours (a couple of tall hot French girls), and one guy who asked if I could keep an eye on his girl a real hottie, by the way, while he went to get the car or something told me, if I hadn't have brought her, she would be leaving with you (I guess she let it be known to him that she liked my style).

Here's the final description of the evening's events that pretty well depicts Vince Kelvin for the scum-bucket he truly is, and what a loser he is at getting with women, in reality. I was standing out poolside and chatting up a group of about 3 girls out of which one I considered do-able and she seemed to be warming up to me quite nicely, when Kelvin walks up, and asks if we want to take the party to his room. I figured maybe he'd break out some upscale booze, or at least I could sit down and chat up the prettier girl that I was into. As we approach the poolside french door entrance to his room, he says plenty loud enough for all to hear, speaking directly to me, "Hey, no newbies allowed!" So to sum it up, he charges you to come to a party to practice your pick-up skills and pick up women, and when you are successful, he steals the woman that you are successfully gaming, right from underneath you!

All I have to say about that is, there was a time when I would have grabbed by the throat and taken him down with one hand/arm, as I'm 5'10", 165 lbs. and in excellent physical shape, while that pathetic little "pin d_ _k," is maybe 5'6" with his 3 or 4 inch platform shoes on, he smokes like a chimney, and I don't have any proof that he does hard drugs, but let's just say that his behavior and appearance are "druggie like." Also, it is common knowledge that Speer had a huge drug problem at one time, (maybe still does, who knows?).

I'll just wrap this up by saying that at the total of $80.00 paid total, it was a fairly inexpensive lesson on what a "rip off" these so called "Pick-Up" Artists are. I'd say it's more likely that they are handling what little they've got much more than any females. By the way, I'm an older dude (58, as of April 2012) that has fucked around 60 women (many multiple times), probably most before these frauds were even born, and anyone ever heard about "The Game," or pick-up. I'm not talking fatties here, either. My first wife was a smoking hot Cuban woman, and I still have smoking hot 20 somethings throwing themselves at me, when I realized that I didn't need all of this phony pick-up crap then, and I don't need it, now! I credit my bad experiences with the so-called pick-up community, and reading your book which I purchased with helping me to turn it around.

I got a same night lay with a 30 year old with a cute face, and a little heavier than I normally go for, but after an evening with a couple of margaritas and a pitcher of beer under my belt, when I offered her a ride back to her hotel instead of having to wait for a cab, she was all over me, before I was pulling out of the parking lot to the bar, "telling me how hot I was, and how she wanted to fuck me so bad," that I pretty much knew it was a done deal before we got back to her upscale hotel room. Funny thing was, I was probably more concerned about waking up her female roomie sleeping in the bed next to us, than she was! Once, I was inside her, I forgot all about the roomie!


Oh, let me add one more thing! Most of the attendees for the New Year's Eve Boot Camp/Guru Summit paid anywhere from $500.- $1,500 and upwards to attend this same event, so $80.00 was a cheap education in the true nature of at least those scum bagging portions of the "pick up" community! I suppose in retrospect, it's a good thing that I was on unemployment at the time, brought my own food in an ice chest, and took my chances parking on their street that warned of being towed as it was permitted parking only, but I couldn't afford $12.00 a day parking in the structure across Sunset Blvd, or they may have "fleeced me for more!" Oh, I probably drank $60.00-$80.00 worth of their booze, too, so I guess I ended up even.

Another thing I wanted to mention is that they work those "Knights" like slaves, trying to suck in more "marks," on the phone and computer all day long, and they sleep in a converted garage with bunk beds and a space heater, and well, you know what a place with a bunch of dudes, dirty laundry, etc, smells like after awhile, so I doubt that any of them could pull anything beyond a street walker, or an absolute skank, back to that hell-hole! I actually felt sorry for those dudes. It doesn't take most of them long to figure out that most of what comes out of Kelvin's mouth is total B.S., about hey they will make big money working for him, etc.  I even know of at least one dude who I heard on a pod-cast that Kelvin had him pick up groceries, booze, etc. to the tune of like $300.+, and never paid him back! Kelvin is actually going bonkers of late, and have heard messages he left on some Website owner's voicemail threatening his life, threatening lawsuits, etc. I doubt if we'll be hearing more about Kelvin in the future, unless it's news that he's been committed to a padded room, or a jail cell! He deserves every bit of it, too!

A Peek into Project Hollywood: Vince Kelvin and Speer's Empty Promises, Part I

Some time ago I was posting about the high-pressure sales techniques of Arash Dibazar. Shortly afterwards, I received some inside information from K.K. about how Speer and Vince Kelvin conducted their business.

As far as I know, their "Project Hollywood" is no more, with Speer moving to, I think, Miami, and Vince lying in a hospital bed. Apparently the entire project was bankrolled by some rich European benefactor who has either left completely or followed Speer. Either way, the story of Vince Kelvin and Project Hollywood is yet another chapter that's now closed.

Below you will find the first part of K.K.'s story. I'll post another one tomorrow.

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Arash Dibazar sounds like Vince Kelvin and his protoge "Speer!! They would invite you through some local pick-up artist group where they would give a "free" talk. They invite you to their house in Hollywood, called "Project Hollywood," and promote the fact that it's the house that Neil Straus was living in when he wrote the Game as they give you a "grand tour." This used to be Mystery's room, this was Neil's room, etc.

So the 1-2 hour talk is free, but at the end, Speer gives the hard sell pitch about it's only those who "take action" are the ones who will improve with women, and then they basically try to shame anyone there who doesn't want to meet up with one of their "Hollywood Knights" who are supposedly up and coming pick-up artists who are studying under the "Masters," so that they will one day be skilled enough to teach at their boot camps, etc. The Knights then used the old  "we are giving you a special offer that is good only for tonight, then the price almost doubles, and if you act now, we will throw in an invitation to the New Year's Eve party at the Mansion!


Speer during his pick-up talk personally guaranteed, that he himself had personally invited at least 75 good looking women to the party, so the place would be teeming with women ready to go on one of the best nights of the year! I, like the guy making low wages flat out couldn't afford any money up front, which later on turned out to be a blessing in disguise. I did get sucked into paying into a $5.00 a day plan, and gave them credit card information, but I had a very low credit limit, and told the dude who signed me up for this plan, after having to go to Speer to see if he would "approve" such a small payment and I think I gave them $20.00 cash up front.

Well, to make a long story short, their big World Pick Artist's Summit/ boot camp/ New Year's Eve weekend, where they represented you would be working one-on-one with each of the best pick-up artists in the world at some point during the 3 day boot camp: gurus like Tyler Durden, who's real name is Owen Cook, I believe, Vince Kelvin himself lol!, Brad P., Sasha "Day Game", David Wygant, Erica Awakening; one of their own Knights named Maven, who is so overweight, bald-headed and dresses so out of style (combination of Chicago gangster and Hollywood in the fifties, with a Fedora to cover his bald head) has the personality of a turnip, and has a striking resemblance to "Uncle Fester from the old "Addams' Family television show, that I doubt that he could get laid if he had five $100.00 bills pinned to his lapel, some woman named Liz who I never got a last name/moniker for, Johnny Soporno, Ross Jefferies, Hydro-who was another one of their Knights and who supposedly specialized in on-line dating and sending text that would guarantee you'd get in their panties, and finally some dude out of New York, named John Keegan, who is supposedly another one of these day game/approach women on the street specialists.

So here's the kicker, all of the above mentioned would give their pick-up advice, and there was a 10 minute break between each speaker where they would be basically pitching their products and services when they were supposedly going to answer your questions, then the speakers would adjourn at around 7 pm, and then the sponsors Kelvin and Speer, would ungraciously kick everyone out of their house and tell you to come back in 3 hours for the boot camp! When you got back, they divided us into groups under the tutelage of the neophyte nights, and Kelvin may have taken one group, while Speer took off with some chick for his own agenda! We would for the most part walk the quarter mile or so to the "Saddle Ranch," or the Standard, where the coaching just amounted to them "pushing you into opening sets," while they stood across the room or 30 feet away, and gave you their "well informed" opinion on what you did wrong.

All Vince Kelvin himself did was tell the guys to "go where the pussy's at," such as the patio, near the entrance, or by the women's restroom, while he sat outside in the patio area and smoked! Shortly after, Vince Kelvin took off with a couple of beat up looking women in their 40's that were either past their prime of being in porn, or stripping, and were now probably pros who serviced the geriatric set. They were so skanky looking that I wouldn't have wanted to do either one of them with somebody else's dick! Not to mention fear of STDs!

Can you imagine the thought process or lack thereof to have 25-30 guys descend on a rather small venue with maybe a few dozen women, as opposed to a large venue with hundreds of women, and they are all basically using variations on the same pick-up lines and routines! I think the only thing we'they accomplished was creeping out the women and clearing the venue in record time!

So the misrepresentations were as follows: Not one of the guru guest speakers worked with anyone at the boot camps following the two days of speakers, unless you count Kelvin and Maven, out of which Kelvin bailed early or arrived late the ONE night of boot camp v. two nights as promised, because after the speakers on New Year's Eve, we were given the boot, until the party started at 9 or 10 pm! I heard that they had some semblance of a boot camp called a "charge-a-thon," or some similarly idiotic name on January 1st, but after two nights of sleeping in the back of my SUV, because I couldn't afford a pricey hotel room in Hollywood, or even a stay at a "Youth Hostel" several miles away, no money and just enough gas to get me home, I was out of there bright and early!

Update on Vince Kelvin

Joe Carnage commented on my recent jab at Vince Kelvin that one of my favorite PUAs is not only suffering financially:

Vince is definitely desperate for cash for his mansion since that old Eastern European benefactor left when Speer did. Breaking news, he is in the hospital for suffering a heart attack because of extreme stress. Figures from not being able to foot the $14,000 a month mansion bill and not being invited to the biggest pua event of the year. 

From Valerie Hammond off his facebook: 

"Vince Kelvin is still at hospital, his heart monitored around the clock. He had a near seizure and heart attack earlier this week. The doctors are extremely concerned. I am answering his phone and Bao and Jesse are in charge at Project Hollywood. He was doing better but had another two intense panic attacks earlier this morning. I am doing my best but we can use his friends support and assistance, thank you. Will keep you posted."

"We're trying very hard to get Vince Kelvin back home, but he had another series of panic attacks leading to seizure last night! Doctors are pretty clear, it is not because of poor health, but extreme stress."

Vince Kelvin is Desperate for Money: 2 days with him for $199

This don't seem to be going too well for Vince Kelvin, but I just can't figure out why. Just have a look at this exemplar of a man: Tall, muscular, beautiful, and always a super-hot chick by his side:

Yet, if you look him up these days, you wonder how well he's doing. He does seem to struggle quite a bit, as you'll soon see. Instead of trying to sell his services for a few grand, he places himself firmly in the bargain bin. His latest attempt to make some money off his fame as a pickup instructor is an offer to shack up with him.

You can chose between those price levels:

• 2 days & 1 night: $199
• 2 days & 2 nights: $349
• 3 days & 3 nights: $499

There is also a "The 'Mack Daddy' BIG BOY V.I.P." package for the customary $2,997.

Seriously, if I lived in LA, I'd book his $199 package just for the entertainment value, and I'd have him approach fatties until I fell of the chair laughing.

If you are interested, then act soon, because even though it is already the 14th of September, this offer ends on the 7th:

 

Game Over: Justin Wayne Leaves the USA and Intends to Drop "PUA" From his Name

Closure is psychologically satisfying, not just in a novel, a book, or a videogame, but also when you read that one of the worst scammers the PUA industry has ever seen --- and this means a lot given this field --- packs his stuff, leaves the USA and quits.

Justin Wayne tried to spin the recent events in a more positive light here and there and has sent out his army of shills. Yet, none of this has helped, and the more he tried to get out of the mess he's gotten himself in, the more shit just hit the fan.

Quite recently, one of Justin Wayne's alleged conquests (yes, he has just made that up) announced that she's going to take legal steps, and announced that she wants to see "Justin Wayne" getting locked up. Yet, I was quite surprised to hear that Justin Wayne has announced that he's back in Jamaica due to "documentation issues." I think he really shit his pants after he realized that he had admitted on video that he's been scamming and lying all along.

It seems he packed his bags literally hours after that call, because very soon after, you could find this on his blog:

Please note the lame attempt at spinning his recent "popularity". Justin, the word you were looking for is "infamy."

I guess this was it for Justin Wayne:

So, Justin Wayne, it was a pleasure meeting you. I wish you good luck with your next harebrained scheme. Oh, by the way, when are you going to approve my comment?

Goodbye, Justin! Here's a song to wish you well:

If You're Sexy and No One Knows It...

On my forum we were discussing the importance of dressing sexy. In this thread, one guy, discuss, posted two pictures that illustrate very well how much your appearance changes if you put on clothes that show off your body. It's one thing to talk about it, but quite another when you see it on pictures.

First, we have some dude who looks rather average. He wouldn't really stand out. Heck, you can't even tell what his body is like. You'll be very surprised when you see the second picture of him, though.

...but now look at this picture:

It's a difference like night and day. Yes, it's the same guy.

Someone's Got Justin Wayne by the Ballz (Video!)

This just came in:

It seems like you are right about Justin, there is at least one girl who he lied to pick up and it actually never happened. If you read his last article there were some chick he called Peagent Girl.

Anyways, somebody forwarded his blog with her pic on it, and she is thinking of suing him.
http://veetle.com/index.php/profile/index/1563408730#_

Watch broadcast for September 3, 2012. She talks about Justin from 01:51

Also watch broadcast for September 4, 2012 from the beginning, in the last one she actually begs her over phone to not sue him and she recorded and posted it online and broadcasted it while he is begging her.

Watch her conversation with Justin Wayne here:
http://veetle.com/index.php/profile/index/1563408730#501889e8b94b5/f5cf88b8b46848ee9b8cb77af931b628
The comments are quite amusing as well. Also, the MTV issue plays a prominent role. The girl seems very smart, too. Nice one!

So, dear Justin Wayne shills, how do you like them apples now?

EDIT: In the comments someone mentions that Justin Wayne was basically trying to run a prostitution ring. It seems exaggerated, but I can certainly see how you could view it that way. After all, the guys paid him money with the expectation to get laid.